What is that about "no power to detain suspects who don't surrender", near the end of the article? Is that at the time of the arrest, or after the four days are up? Either way, your "come here and let me arrest you" tag has never been more appropriate.
I'm sorry for asking what I'm sure are very elementary questions, but...I admit I'm a bit confused.
In the US, most states won't allow detaining a suspect for more than 24 hours unless they are charged with a crime and brought before a judge. Then the judge will set bail (or not, depending on what they're accused of and if there's a flight risk) and the suspect is free to go, with some restrictions, until either they're tried, or charges are dropped. If you're a suspect and aren't arrested, then yeah, police don't have the power "To detain suspects who don't surrender." But I'm assuming here this means suspects that were arrested and are on bond, right?
Do you mean that in the UK you can detain a suspect for up to 96 hours, or that you can arrest them, question them, release them on "bond" and then just go pick them up whenever you like until their bond is released or they're charged? The order of things sounds different. Either way, screwing with the way things operate in such a fundamental way has to be a nightmare.
Mazarin - yes, a bit different. Police bail doesn't involve the courts. It's when we arrest someone, but want to perform further enquiries before charging. We can arrest them for 24 hours. This can be extended to 36 hours by a police superintendent, and then longer by a magistrate if we apply to the court - currently up to 96 hours in most cases.
We can then bail you without charge, which means you must return for questioning when asked. Times are set when suspects have to attend the nick. Failure to do so is a further offence. (that's the sort of bail this is about). There's no bond, nothing like that. Just the risk of arrest for further charges if you don't show. We can charge you and bail you to appear in court (sometimes this has conditions, such as curfews) or you can be charged and remanded until court. The first, what this is all about, means we can then use the time to build a case. Vital time, often, to round up witnesses, gather evidence and set out the case to the CPS. As it stands of this morning - apparently - we now just have to let people wander off into the sunset, quite possibly with no way of ever getting them back. But it seems like no one's sure what to do right now. I've been on the ohone half the morning to the Yard. At the moment just reviewing every case we have where we currently have a suspect on bail, so when we do find out what's happening, we can act. It's an absolute bloody mess right now.
Funding cuts, redundancies, pay freezes, attacks on pension... and now a move to make it far more difficult to carry out a fundamental part of your job.
Yes, there is. Don't hunch over a desk all day. Really - get up, walk around, harass/help out the rest of your team, but move every half hour or so, even if it's just a turn around your office. I know it seems like a lot of time, but it'll help a lot too, and it's really only a minute or two.
Wish I had legitimate medical grounds to keep you home, but I'm forced to say you're probably all right to deal with paperwork.
Nameless - makes me feel proud to have dedicated my life to such an important, well respected profession. Oh, no, wait...makes me feel like a mug, I mean, who clearly does a disposable job.
Danger - when you say 'walk', do you mean 'hobble, in an ungainly fashion'?
Yes. Or at least stand up and...well, I won't say stretch, but sort of unhunch yourself? If you don't want to take the crutches, I've still got my cane.
Hey, those medical grounds...it's a proper catch 22. If I go in, I'm insane, you can keep me here...however, if I don't go...you should send me in. See?
Maybe. Yeah. Let me see what kind of utter chaos greets me tomorrow. At the rate I'm getting phonecalls I'm not entirely sure you'll see me before the weekend.
Let the record show that a. I was saying that because apparently I'm boring and predictable. And b. Only because I thought it might mean tomorrow didn't come as soon.
If you do things to me that make time stand still, that's not a fair fight!
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Are you serious? o_O That's gonna be a NIGHTMARE.
What is that about "no power to detain suspects who don't surrender", near the end of the article? Is that at the time of the arrest, or after the four days are up? Either way, your "come here and let me arrest you" tag has never been more appropriate.
I'm going back to work tomorrow - there's no way I can stay off if we have to review all our cases. I'll find out the horrific details then.
I can't explain how much harder this will make parts of the job.
I'm sorry for asking what I'm sure are very elementary questions, but...I admit I'm a bit confused.
In the US, most states won't allow detaining a suspect for more than 24 hours unless they are charged with a crime and brought before a judge. Then the judge will set bail (or not, depending on what they're accused of and if there's a flight risk) and the suspect is free to go, with some restrictions, until either they're tried, or charges are dropped. If you're a suspect and aren't arrested, then yeah, police don't have the power "To detain suspects who don't surrender." But I'm assuming here this means suspects that were arrested and are on bond, right?
Do you mean that in the UK you can detain a suspect for up to 96 hours, or that you can arrest them, question them, release them on "bond" and then just go pick them up whenever you like until their bond is released or they're charged? The order of things sounds different. Either way, screwing with the way things operate in such a fundamental way has to be a nightmare.
Mazarin - yes, a bit different. Police bail doesn't involve the courts. It's when we arrest someone, but want to perform further enquiries before charging. We can arrest them for 24 hours. This can be extended to 36 hours by a police superintendent, and then longer by a magistrate if we apply to the court - currently up to 96 hours in most cases.
We can then bail you without charge, which means you must return for questioning when asked. Times are set when suspects have to attend the nick. Failure to do so is a further offence. (that's the sort of bail this is about). There's no bond, nothing like that. Just the risk of arrest for further charges if you don't show. We can charge you and bail you to appear in court (sometimes this has conditions, such as curfews) or you can be charged and remanded until court. The first, what this is all about, means we can then use the time to build a case. Vital time, often, to round up witnesses, gather evidence and set out the case to the CPS. As it stands of this morning - apparently - we now just have to let people wander off into the sunset, quite possibly with no way of ever getting them back. But it seems like no one's sure what to do right now. I've been on the ohone half the morning to the Yard. At the moment just reviewing every case we have where we currently have a suspect on bail, so when we do find out what's happening, we can act. It's an absolute bloody mess right now.
And just when I was thinking I could really get used to not sharing you with the Met... Surely the appeal will work though? This seems like madness.
Don't even...I am far, far too used to being here already. Tomorrow will be torture in more ways than one. Can I phone in dead?
Is there actually a way you can hunch over a desk all day without feeling like someone is repeatedly kicking in your knackered ribs??
Funding cuts, redundancies, pay freezes, attacks on pension... and now a move to make it far more difficult to carry out a fundamental part of your job.
Fucking fantastic, isn't it?
Yes, there is. Don't hunch over a desk all day. Really - get up, walk around, harass/help out the rest of your team, but move every half hour or so, even if it's just a turn around your office. I know it seems like a lot of time, but it'll help a lot too, and it's really only a minute or two.
Wish I had legitimate medical grounds to keep you home, but I'm forced to say you're probably all right to deal with paperwork.
Nameless - makes me feel proud to have dedicated my life to such an important, well respected profession. Oh, no, wait...makes me feel like a mug, I mean, who clearly does a disposable job.
Danger - when you say 'walk', do you mean 'hobble, in an ungainly fashion'?
Yes. Or at least stand up and...well, I won't say stretch, but sort of unhunch yourself? If you don't want to take the crutches, I've still got my cane.
I will do my best not to look like I live in notre dame by the end of the day.
How about the inevitable shouting matches. Or do I just have to pretend I'm dead calm about it all...
Hey, those medical grounds...it's a proper catch 22. If I go in, I'm insane, you can keep me here...however, if I don't go...you should send me in. See?
I'm beginning to think the people in charge are the insane ones. Who's keeping them home?
Try to come back early at least? You won't do anyone any good by exhausting yourself.
It is amazing they're let out, isn't it?
Me, exhaust myself? Dunno what even made you think of it.
Will you keep me updated with tennis scores? When does it even finish?
The finals are this weekend, and I like how you say that as if there's any way you could prevent me keeping you updated.
Maybe you could get free for lunch tomorrow?
I thought you'd like that I'm taking an interest!
Maybe. Yeah. Let me see what kind of utter chaos greets me tomorrow. At the rate I'm getting phonecalls I'm not entirely sure you'll see me before the weekend.
Who's going to win the men's then?
I do! I'm only teasing. I think it's very sweet of you.
I'm very much afraid it'll be Djokovic, and I'm not looking forward to it.
Well you watched the TT highlights with me. And it's been fun, watching you get all passionate about it.
Should I lay on some distractions for the final? What am I saying, i'll probably be at work. The boys can distract you.
I don't know, I might skip the final. Depends who it is.
You could go out on Rog, have a sparkly flying session around the skies instead?
Only if you come with.
If I'm not working, and Rog doesn't mind going two-up.
That sounds entirely wrong.
Incredibly wrong. Ha.
I don't want to share you with anyone. Not Roger Federer, not Rog Federicorn.
boys asleep?
Yes. At last.
Well done.
I don't want to go to bed.
(Let the record show it took about five minutes to convince him, which is probably an hour less than Sherlock.)
Let the record show that a. I was saying that because apparently I'm boring and predictable. And b. Only because I thought it might mean tomorrow didn't come as soon.
If you do things to me that make time stand still, that's not a fair fight!
If you do things to me that make time stand still, that's not a fair fight!
You started it.
You started it, by being irresistible.
I shall let you know about lunch.
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